tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7122549.post6402630189790948481..comments2023-11-10T16:19:46.880-05:00Comments on Blogslot: Help Yourself to a Helping VerbUnknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger21125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7122549.post-69434679687455495912010-01-25T07:33:39.514-05:002010-01-25T07:33:39.514-05:00Wow...that was irritating...Wow...that was irritating...The Pittsburgh Kidhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08836046792344732560noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7122549.post-12627883968445877192008-05-05T21:34:00.000-04:002008-05-05T21:34:00.000-04:00We are talking about newspaper conventions, and I ...We are talking about newspaper conventions, and I know newspaper conventions better than you do. The New York Times stylebook joins the Post stylebook in prescribing just when you can and can't omit a helping verb.Billhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01512881095588291721noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7122549.post-18021051249874297052008-05-05T21:14:00.000-04:002008-05-05T21:14:00.000-04:00The point about headlines is that there is a trade...The point about headlines is that there is a trade-off between brevity and intelligibility. <BR/><BR/>You are quite within your rights as chief copy editor for the Washington Post to make a rule that helping verbs are needed in subordinate clauses. However that rule is unlikely to be kept if it is commonly flouted elsewhere, or does not tie in with the average reader or writer's use of language.<BR/><BR/>In this case no paper has used the headline 'two shot police say' and it has only been used for one story in the form 'police say two shot'. The same is true for 'police say two killed'<BR/><BR/>You still haven't explained the reasoning behind your prohibition.Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05952564820382472228noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7122549.post-88591262212551252152008-05-04T20:06:00.000-04:002008-05-04T20:06:00.000-04:00Wrong. TWO SHOT is a standard shortcut. TWO SHOT, ...Wrong. TWO SHOT is a standard shortcut. TWO SHOT, POLICE SAY is a standard shortcut. POLICE SAY TWO SHOT is not.Billhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01512881095588291721noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7122549.post-39918458131000897142008-05-04T20:01:00.000-04:002008-05-04T20:01:00.000-04:00We have should have standards higher than simple c...<I>We have should have standards higher than simple comprehension.</I><BR/><BR/>You're confusing 'higher standards' with your own pet peeves. It's a standard construction in headline writing; get used to it.Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05952564820382472228noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7122549.post-43402085855290172722008-04-25T12:06:00.000-04:002008-04-25T12:06:00.000-04:00Found today on Google News for a reuters piece"Oba...Found today on Google News for a reuters piece<BR/><BR/>"Obama ex-pastor says he unfairly painted a fanatic" <BR/><BR/>Poor fanatic.<BR/><BR/>Of course, when I followed the link, they had fixed (or attempted to fix) the headline: "Obama ex-pastor says was unfairly painted a fanatic"<BR/><BR/>I love the lack of standards on the Internet.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09024845564574113444noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7122549.post-83065481856757522432008-04-23T01:02:00.000-04:002008-04-23T01:02:00.000-04:00I couldn't pass up suggesting a quick fix for the ...I couldn't pass up suggesting a quick fix for the headline P.S. posted:<BR/><BR/>Joe Blow arrested<BR/>on smut charge<BR/>while wife got offTJ Poolehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10822858619156469564noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7122549.post-77141013139745709362008-04-22T12:10:00.000-04:002008-04-22T12:10:00.000-04:00Interesting that your dig followed the correct con...Interesting that your dig followed the correct convention. If you love sloppy headlines so much, why not <B>150,000 shrug after pedant wrong</B>?Billhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01512881095588291721noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7122549.post-43226430404444885182008-04-22T11:18:00.000-04:002008-04-22T11:18:00.000-04:00150,000 shrug after pedant griped150,000 shrug after pedant gripedPaulohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00789481258043260848noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7122549.post-30757143605672305072008-04-16T18:00:00.000-04:002008-04-16T18:00:00.000-04:00The convention is that you may skip the helping ve...The convention is that you may skip the helping verb only in the main clause. Flights Canceled, but not Sources Say Flights Canceled.Billhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01512881095588291721noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7122549.post-54927644630886238472008-04-16T17:52:00.000-04:002008-04-16T17:52:00.000-04:00Are two-word heds such asFlights canceledMisspelli...Are two-word heds such as<BR/><BR/>Flights canceled<BR/><BR/>Misspellings intolerable<BR/><BR/>unacceptable?Tahoe Editorhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18245563650106285326noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7122549.post-8590876533372634442008-04-16T15:24:00.000-04:002008-04-16T15:24:00.000-04:00That headline is a perfect example of the sort of ...That headline is a perfect example of the sort of work that ACES reader panelists rip us for each year. As I remember vividly from last year, they make clear that they don't appreciate — or follow — our shortcuts. Just because we think they should know what we're saying doesn't mean we have any idea if they actually do. And such disconnects between headline writers and headline readers are dangerous indeed.<BR/><BR/>Jim Thomsen<BR/>http://jimthomsen.wordpress.com/Jim Thomsenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16436505068478971925noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7122549.post-68808185252895397192008-04-16T01:38:00.000-04:002008-04-16T01:38:00.000-04:00Joe Blow arrested on smut chargewhile wife freedTh...Joe Blow arrested <BR/>on smut charge<BR/>while wife freed<BR/><BR/>The problem is that your ear (or eye) supplies the implied verb in the first clause but not in the second. Either express the verb or turn the headline into two "sentences" with a semicolon.Peter Sibleyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08449725607931123045noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7122549.post-80447905823754587782008-04-15T08:50:00.000-04:002008-04-15T08:50:00.000-04:00The best solution to the "scramble after" problem,...The best solution to the "scramble after" problem, it now occurs to me, would be to reverse the order of the syntagms and, as renita suggests, turn the atrophied subordinate clause into a prepositional phrase:<BR/>After more canceled flights,<BR/>150,000 scrambleRolihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12593204377746796017noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7122549.post-23843967086098834342008-04-15T08:45:00.000-04:002008-04-15T08:45:00.000-04:00To me, what's funny (in both senses) about the "15...To me, what's funny (in both senses) about the "150,000 scramble" headline is that it implies that all these people are trying to get more flights canceled. "To scramble after something" means to run, stumbling and jostling with others, after some object, e.g., "The players scrambled after the ball." Perhaps if the line break in the headline were different, I wouldn't read it this way, but it should probably have been rewritten entirely.Rolihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12593204377746796017noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7122549.post-82242381238670450662008-04-14T16:45:00.000-04:002008-04-14T16:45:00.000-04:00To those who don't see the error in the sample hea...To those who don't see the error in the sample headlines, it's possible your moment of confusion is so brief as to be undetectable. For others, the pause and re-read take longer and are more disruptive. These examples probably aren't the worst offenders. When you are on the lookout for mistakes -- e.g., when you're reading a blog post that points them out - it's harder to understand how a random reader scanning headlines could misunderstand.Girl with the Interesting Hairhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14946746656096278479noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7122549.post-7151258623875534272008-04-14T14:46:00.000-04:002008-04-14T14:46:00.000-04:00If you don't get it, you don't get it. But well-ed...If you don't get it, you don't get it. But well-edited publications don't say things intolerable.Billhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01512881095588291721noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7122549.post-80543233151765847612008-04-14T14:06:00.000-04:002008-04-14T14:06:00.000-04:00Count me in the "just don't get it" crowd, I'm afr...Count me in the "just don't get it" crowd, I'm afraid. Could you explain in some logical way why "Candidate says budget deficit intolerable" is not okay and "Budget deficit intolerable, candidate says" is okay? I'm assuming it's not just some arbitrary rule. I understand the objection that we can call something intolerable but not "say it intolerable," but logically, isn't that still exactly what the "okay" version does?Vincerohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02659874679365600853noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7122549.post-33529848156943463582008-04-14T10:10:00.000-04:002008-04-14T10:10:00.000-04:00True enough, but not the point. Everyone would als...True enough, but not the point. Everyone would also understand "teh" or "Saterday." We have should have standards higher than simple comprehension.Billhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01512881095588291721noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7122549.post-12570952989622522352008-04-14T00:50:00.000-04:002008-04-14T00:50:00.000-04:0099.99% of the population (actually, more like 100%...99.99% of the population (actually, more like 100%, I'll bet) understands it as written...<BR/><BR/>GBGreg Burnshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03034468525137582882noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7122549.post-36017894559992892008-04-11T17:30:00.000-04:002008-04-11T17:30:00.000-04:00the easiest thing to do: "more canceled flights" ....the easiest thing to do: "more canceled flights" ... sadly i see that sort of thing all the time. even more sadly, i've probably written a headline like that.renitahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01752356387416880615noreply@blogger.com